EPISODE 035: The Evolution of Mediumship with Natalie Walker

Psychic Medium and Certified Tutor, Natalie Walker, was with me in the studio this week.
We’ve been talking about the evolution of mediumship – why, due to the world pandemic, we as psychics and mediums are having to work in very different, very creative ways online. And how that online work not only impacts us and our practice, but helps us to reach more people and benefit so many others across the world.
 
Natalie also speaks to us in depth, about her fascinating work as a Psychic Detective, working on many cases, including missing people and how her Diploma in Criminal Profiling has helped her to use her psychic mind in different ways, when it comes to psychic detection.

Natalie Walker is a very highly regarded Tutor and Psychic Medium not only here in the UK but across the world and this is an episode not to be missed!

This Week’s Episode

Psychic Medium and Certified Tutor, Natalie Walker, was with me in the studio this week, discussing the evolution of mediumship. 

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• Natalie Walker Website
• Natalie Walker Facebook
• Natalie Walker Email: [email protected]
• Psychic Sisters, Selfridges
• Arthur Findlay College 
  
  

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Psychic Medium and Certified Tutor, Natalie Walker, was with me in the studio this week. 

You’ll Learn

• What a Home Circle is

• How Platform Mediumship is evolving

• How to use psychic ability with detective work

• What mind-mapping is

• The benefits of using your psychic mind in two ways

• How to blend with the mind of a person of concern

• How to walk in the footsteps of a missing person

• The importance of your responsibilities and code of conduct as a medium

• Why police can’t state that they use psychics

• How a diploma in Criminal Profiling can help with psychic detection

• Why your mindset is your most powerful tool

• Why you should always place your trust in the spirit world 
  
  

TRANSCRIPT

Hello everybody! My name is Ann Théato and welcome to the Psychic Matters Podcast – episode number 35. 

Psychic Medium and Certified Tutor Natalie Walker was with me in the studio this week.  We’ve been talking about the evolution of mediumship – why, due to the world pandemic,  we as psychics and mediums are having to work in very different, very creative ways online.

And how that online work not only impacts us and our practice, but helps us to reach more people and benefit so many others across the world. Natalie also speaks to us in depth about her fascinating work as a Psychic Detective, working on many cases, including missing people and how her diploma in criminal profiling has helped her to use her psychic mind in different ways, when it comes to psychic detection.

Natalie Walker is a very highly regarded Tutor and Psychic Medium not only here in the UK but across the world and this is an episode not to be missed!

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Ann

I’m in the Psychic Matters studio today with Psychic Medium and Certified Tutor Natalie Walker.  Natalie welcome to Psychic Matters!

Natalie

Thank you so much, thank you for asking me/

Ann

Oh, it’s such a pleasure to have you here, and everybody is really thrilled ‘coz I’ve had a lot of people ask me, “Ooh, could you interview Natalie Walker?  Could you get her on the show?  Could you get her?” so thank you so much for putting the time aside. I know your schedule is very tight, you’ve got a lot on, so we really do appreciate you coming on to talk to us and share your knowledge today.

Natalie

Oh, you’re welcome.

Ann

So, Natalie let’s begin at the beginning. You know, you are a Psychic Medium and a Certified Tutor, where did these gifts come from? When did you first recognise in yourself that you had psychic ability?

Natalie

I would say I first recognised about my ability around the age of about 18, when I made sense of what was going on, but I did actually have ability, have encounters with the spirit world, I can remember being in my Infant School, so I would have been around in the age of four to five years old.  I could see the spirit world so clearly.  I could see them, we used to have a classroom that was dedicated to the school library, and I remember it, the scenery as clear as day now because I saw the spirit world a lot clearer than what I see them now.  And I didn’t realise, they were so clear, I didn’t realise that they was people that have passed away. I genuinely used to think that there was other people that would come into the school library and that would sit there reading the books with me. And being the studious child I was, whenever you finished your work and towards the end of the day, you would be allowed into the library.  So, being the studious child I was, in I would go. I would always finish, one of the first, have all these ticks in my book and then in I would go as one of the first.  And I didn’t really think too much about it, because I remember going in, these other adults, quite a few elderly people would just be sitting at the children’s tables reading their book. I would help myself to my book and on I’d go reading.  I never used to think anything of it because it was clear as day and the innocence of a child you don’t question it, you just think the library is there for everyone to use. So it was only later in life when I learned more about the spirit world and the mechanics of mediumship, that around the age, I would say probably between 16 to 18, where I would then make sense of, when I was in that school I know that’s who I used to see, I know that’s who I was comfortable with.  And then around 10 years old as well, I did have a very profound experience with someone passing, and I did realise that, what I would say is, I wasn’t normal. I no longer felt normal, I began to feel very alone, because no one could understand what I was saying. And when I say no-one, I didn’t really tell any of my friends, it was a couple of teachers and they used to tell me to stop crying and they used to tell me that I was being ridiculous.  And that was, I will never forget it, it was one evening, we had a school concert when I was ten years old I was, I think I was, either in the last year or the year before last of leaving my Junior School.  And we had a school concert, we were singing away in the Hall, and I can still see him walking out now, and it was Mr Waters was the Head Teacher and he was lovely and he went home early because he didn’t feel too good. And I remember looking at him walking out the door to the hallway knowing, midsong, knowing I was never going to see him again. I knew I wouldn’t be seeing him again.  And nobody else took any notice, apart from whatever teacher he told that he needed to go home coz he didn’t feel too good. I didn’t think anything of it, arrived at school the next day, we was a bit late being called in, and then once we was in, and it was the first break at 10:30, my teacher Mrs Wallis, I’m good with names coz I remember the event, my teacher Mrs Wallis told us, that he’d passed away very quickly of heart failure, he’d passed away.  And I just remember breaking down, couldn’t go out to play, I remember sitting there and she was really kind, and they still were kind, but I think after a while and I’m talking weeks, after a while of me, because I couldn’t work out what I was feeling so it just used to upset me all the time, that he was gone, he was gone in this way, and I hadn’t told anyone and I knew, and I just remember crying a lot and then being told that I had to pull myself together and get on with my work.  So, I think it’s a case of not always being able to work yourself out.

Ann

Yes.

Natalie

So that was my first profound experience with the spirit world and a knowingness of what was going to happen.  And I still think about him now, I still wonder what his family’s doing because I know he had children, and I still think about him now, as the first person I knew that I had encountered that has gone to the spirit world.

Ann

Wow, what an amazing story, that just goes to show how sensitive we can be as children when we can’t express what’s going on.

Natalie

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Ann

And so how did you take it forward then Natalie?  So when you came to be 18, did, did something happen then, that you thought you were going study or…?

Natalie

Well, when I was 16, by chance it was simply because I had my first job. I worked for a bank so I was earning my own money, and it was only purely because I was earning my own money, I’m not gonna ask my parents for money for this particular reason.  There was a lady who I worked with, Joan, and she was going for a reading.  I asked her what a reading entailed, she told me that they knew things about her that no one else could possibly know.  So I went for a reading and goodness knows what this woman told me, because I didn’t have anybody that died at that time, apart from my school teacher but obviously I wasn’t close to him in that way.  So I didn’t have anybody that had died, and I was 16 just starting out at work, had a good upbringing, so I didn’t really have a lot to tell me either, because I was just going, getting up and going to work.  But I went for this reading and then I remember going to a spiritual church.  And by then I’d started to have very weird dreams and premonitions, and a lot of big premonitions.  Still didn’t really interact it with the spirit world.  But I remember going to a spiritual church, listening to the medium, didn’t get a message which was fine, didn’t even go for a message, but what it did do was the biggest education for me in the months after that, because I just used to go and listen, and it used to help me make sense of why, when I closed my eyes at night, I could see all these different faces and sets of eyes and people looking at me, or being shown different scenery.  So I started to self-develop from the age of 16, and then 18 that was when I started to remember about my childhood years, and the interactions, and started to read quite profoundly.  Read a lot of books, and just started sitting, developing, meditating, channelling the spirit world, from the age of 18 to the age of 23.  I was in no rush to work, I didn’t have an intention of reading for anyone, I never ever had an intention of being a psychic medium at all, but for five years I just developed to make sense of what I was sensing, and I think that done me the power of good, to not have any goals, and not have any tensions, simply to unravel it.

Ann

Just to experience it.  And then what happened at 23, Nat?

Natalie

At 23 I was pregnant with my eldest boy, and on maternity leave. So it’s almost like circumstance, synchronicity. I remember being pregnant with my son, so I was on maternity leave and I had more time off, and my niece wanted a reading.  I knew she’d lost people because it was the other side of the family.  I didn’t know too much about them, like it was my brother in law’s side of the family, so I didn’t know too much about them.  And she came for a reading, and she was just overwhelmed, over the moon, really pleased with what I picked up, really pleased with what I said.  And then her friend wanted to reading and it literally took off from there.  And then obviously on maternity leave I had my son.  After a couple of months I used to read for, do readings then, for people I didn’t know.  And it literally took off from there. I was blessed with having the best baby ever, so I could have a very definite routine, even with him at a couple of months old.  I could know when his bedtime was, and he never, ever woke up. Never ever was he disturbed.  He might have been when the readings finished in the evening or during the day but that baby would never wake while that reading was taking place, never, it was amazing. And I was meant to go back to work, I was only on maternity leave, had a fantastic job, and I never ever did because my phone just never stopped.  It never stopped, so I then began reading for people.

Ann

Amazing, absolutely amazing how it started for you.

Natalie

Yeah, yeah, very much so.

Ann

And so I had the absolute pleasure of doing a, I had the absolute pleasure of doing a one year membership programme with you in platform mediumship, which was just brilliant fun. It was over at Tony Stockwell’s studio where you were teaching. So how did you end up teaching there and teaching?  You’ve got your own school, you’re teaching your own courses, tell us a little bit about the teaching side and where that came from?

Natalie

When, I can’t remember what year, because I’m old now so my memory’s fading!  But I remember at some point I was living in North London at the time, and I decided to start a home circle.  So a home circle, people would gather in my home, we would take over the lounge, the children were very small. I was lucky my partner didn’t mind, he would go to bed, so I was able to, I would say it was an experimental home circle.  So I used to think of the subject that we was going to address.  We would all work together, but I would kind of be in control.  Start time, finish time, and this is a subject that we’re going to experiment with this week, because there’s such a vast array of different elements to mediumship to our psychic ability.  So I’ve done that for a couple of years, and then booked a course at the Arthur Findlay College and it was a course run by Tony Stockwell.  So by then I’ve been doing my readings for a number of years, 10 plus years, and I started my development circle had been running for a year, just my home circle which I enjoyed immensely, I was fine just going along with that. And then I remember doing Tony’s circle, sorry Tony’s course, at Arthur Findlay College and he was speaking to me one evening, because we are both from the same area of Essex.   Our parents have the same names, we both have an older sister, so our lives were very in tune with how it had developed, both had very stable upbringing, so it was quite weird.  We were just talking about Essex really and Canvey Island and how we’ve been raised.  So I remember him talking about him wanting to open his own development centre in Essex and then went home from the course, really, really enjoyed it, missed being in that space, carried on with what I was doing, and then about a month later, I had a phone call from him, asking if I would be one of the teachers at the centre he was opening in Wickford. And that would be some 17 years ago now.

Ann

Goodness, time flies.

Natalie

That’s how I started working there, and then you obviously get to know other tutors, other people hear about your work, it’s done on a bigger scale, so then over the years, I’ve always still done readings, always still done platform mediumship that I went into, but that is how my teaching started.  It snowballed from there.  Other people listening, getting to know your work, and asking you to come and teach for them.

Ann

Wow that’s amazing, how amazing that you had such parallel, not necessary parallel lives, but so much commonality between the two of you, with Tony.

Natalie

Yeah I often think about it.  Sometimes it’s funny, the people you meet, and how closely your lives have run together.

Ann

Yeah. Absolutely, and so you talk about platform mediumship, some people listening to this podcast might not be very clear on what platform mediumship is, so I wonder if you could just explain that, and then maybe talk a little bit about how platform mediumship is evolving.

Natalie

Yeah definitely.  So platform mediumship is where you’ve got your audience in front of you, which can range for any number, you may get a smaller number within a spiritual church to working in halls, working in theatres, where there’s quite a vast array of people there.  And platform mediumship, really the emphasis is on the word platform.  Your stage that you are on in front of your audience, can be of any kind, so in other words, you can be on ground level in a community centre with all these chairs out in front of you, and the way you are expressing your connection to the spirit world, is you would have shorter contacts, they can last anything between 10 maybe 15 minutes, where, as you explore who you feel, who you sense from the spirit world, you also make a link to the recipient of that person, and you bring that connection through that way, and the emphasis is very much on evidence from that spirit contact, you bring that person alive, who they are, the message that communication is so important between them.  It’s like you allow the people that have gone before, to have a talk once again, to have communication once again with their loved ones and that should be the aim.  Evidence that they still exist and that they’re OK, what they’re doing in the spirit world, and what they want to say to their loved one.  And platform mediumship as I said, is always in front of an audience, so other people will be aware of your loved ones and also be, being experienced in the presence of spirit being in that room with them.

Ann

Beautiful, great explanation, thank you, and how do you think platform mediumship is evolving, currently?

Natalie

I feel there will always be, obviously there’s always going to be a need for lots of different avenues of mediumship, of the psychic element, it’s one, I don’t feel one element will ever be extinguished, but going back with reference to what you say with the platform mediumship, as we sit here now April 2021 just about to go into May… I feel obviously the type of year we’ve had with the pandemic, with the restrictions that have taken place, platform mediumship, where we haven’t been allowed to be face to face and quite respectfully so, we haven’t been allowed to be face to face within that room, and it’s just now starting to get back to people being able to be under the same roof within the same space, but I feel it’s evolving, because the beauty of video call, Zoom communications, Skype, different meetings have been set up virtually, however it may be, FaceTime, etc., different platform meetings have been set up, and the beauty of the internet and technology that is moving so rapidly fast forward, is it’s very different, but you can have that audience in front of you, albeit virtually.  I’m a great believer and this is from experience not just belief, that you can still bring the presence of spirit about within that virtual room, if you like.  You can still have the presence of spirit even though they’re not sat in front of you physically.  And I do believe, and I do trust that, even though it’s going back to normal if you like, where centres and churches are opening, and theatres are going to open once more, so demonstrations will take place there, and the platform will be reopened there, I do believe that because of the wider audience we’ve reached, because there’s people from different counties, different countries that have now seen different nationalities of medium work, I do feel that the virtual platform mediumship is still going to carry on, so I feel that’s evolving.

Ann

And I think as mediums we’ve had to evolve ourselves, because working in person in a church, or in an, on an event, with platform mediumship, it is a very different energy to working online.  And I know that I’ve had to, if I’m in a venue, I know I can be drawn to certain side of the room, the back, the front, a certain person, online if I can see 10 people in the squares in front of me, I can still be drawn in that way, but if you’re a bigger event where you’ve got pages and pages of Zoom candidates, it’s a different sort of thing isn’t it?  We’ve all had to evolve.

Natalie

Definitely, definitely, that’s where we’ve had to evolve within our presentation of our platform mediumship if you like, the mechanics of it, where sometimes, the feeling is to be closer to the spirit world.  We should be close anyway, having said that, whenever we working, but to be closer, as in relying on them, their evidence, that’s going to get us to the recipient, because as you say, when there is so many within a virtual room, we can’t always get that feeling of I wanna be on that square within this meeting, because they may be on another page, so there is a huge element where you are now relying on the audience to have such an open mind from the very beginning.  And obviously we all remember our loved ones, but you’ve got to have a broad mind to remember within a mediums open statements, you know, we’ve really got to suddenly rinse through the information of memories and communication and what was once said when they was alive, so you’re asking the audience to think very quickly on their feet.  So you’re absolutely right, I agree with you, it’s changed in that way, it’s a different dynamic.

Ann

Yeah interesting, and full of potential I think, because we’re just at the beginning of that virtual mediumship.

Natalie

Definitely, definitely, and the one positive I feel, is that maybe there are people that have wanted to go to a church, maybe there are, there are people in the audience that can’t go out of their house, disability, or lack of mobility, or for whatever reason, they’re still vulnerable for all sorts of reasons.  It’s been so much easier for them to be, d’you know what it’s gonna suit me to look virtually at this person, and as mediums we’ve got to be conscious of still delivering to maybe many facets of delivering our platform mediumship.  It’s a good thing, different people, different styles of mediumship, different styles of delivering those messages, I feel that the recipient, the audience member has got a right to have different needs of how they are able to get to a mediumship demonstration, virtually or in person.  It is their right I feel, so I am hoping that maybe mediums that have shied away from it a bit, I do respect when they say but it is not the same, I have so missed seeing people and their faces and being within a church, within a quiet place, I have really missed it but I would also miss the virtual reality of reaching people that are so far and wide from the other side of the world, that they are able to join, so I would love to know that both are going to carry on.

Ann

Yes, I hope they do and I’m sure they will.  Natalie, I know that there is a special area of mediumship that you are working in at the moment, talk to us about your passion right now.

Natalie

Okay, so one of my passions, within my mediumship that again by chance, I didn’t fall into it, because I started to investigate the investigator in me, but I’m very passionate to use my psychic ability within detective work.  I will say my family often say that if I wasn’t a psychic medium, they do feel that I would be somewhere within the criminal field, either as a detective or working as a private investigator and I have to agree with them.  So I was asked once by another medium, to help them on a case, which I was very pleased.  And they kind of opened my eyes to the world of psychics being asked by different police forces, or different people, that are up standing within the law, and they asked, he asked me if I would help him with a case. So we done map reading, something that’s called mind-mapping which is where you go on a journey within your mind, of what may have happened, what may be an outcome, we was working on a missing person, so it’s very much mind travelling with that person, their route, what happened, what happened after.  So I done a bit of work in that way, I was just in my element, I loved it. Again, didn’t think too much about it other than fulfilling what was asked of me.  And then over the next months, over the next couple of years, I was very much interested, and used to explore things, very privately just on my own, used to explore cases that come up in the media, different things I would allow myself to investigate what I feel, what was being reported, very quickly, not in a nosey way.  And I’d never make anything public, as I was doing this work just on my own, but very naturally I could sit there and I would have scenes played out to me clairvoyantly, I would know very instinctively whether someone had passed, or whether they were still here, and it’s not just about missing persons or murder, sometimes it can be about confrontation, I’ve been asked in court cases to do with wills, court cases to do with family disagreements I’ve worked on, so it’s not always death, it’s not always murder or missing persons. And the more I got into it, the more I was being asked during readings, when I would uncover that someone was missing, or I would uncover maybe how someone’s passed or certain evidence I was giving the family, families sometimes come forward and ask me if I would work on it in more detail. And then there was a lovely Chief Detective from Essex Police that called me up, come round to my house one day, and unbeknown to me she was doing an off the record interview, really politely, really lovely, didn’t make me feel uncomfortable at all, but it was because a family had gone to her with information, they had reopened a case based on the information.  She had asked the people how much I was charging to give them this information.  How much is she charging?  What sort of money is she taking off you?  And when they turned around and said she doesn’t take a penny, she simply wants us to help locate, she, that’s when she come round to talk to me, because she couldn’t believe the evidence I’d given, and it was about a missing person.  She couldn’t believe the evidence I’d given, they reopened the case, dug up some areas and unfortunately she was found, but as I described. And from then on, the Chief Detective would come round a lot and asked me to go in and work on cases.  They can never ever declare that they use psychics because they can’t declare it during evidence, it doesn’t, it doesn’t stand up in the court, but they certainly give me enough credit, enough respect, and that’s all I want. I don’t want to convert people, I’m not on about everybody believing that I solve mysteries any better than any police officer or any police force, but I just wanted the respect whenever I work with them that they, they give me that space to do what they’re asking me to do, without ridicule and I do.  And then the Metropolitan Police I’ve worked with them quite a lot as well on a number of cases, and they are all friendly, they’re all lovely, as I’m working with them.

Ann

Well done, congratulations, and that’s lovely closure for those families.

Natalie

Thank you, thank you and that is my, obviously I teach it, I’ve development circles, that is my busiest development circles is Psychic Detective, they are always my busiest groups.

Ann

And so how does it work Natalie, for those listening who don’t know?  Where do you start from if somebody comes to you and says, you know, there’s this missing person, here’s a photograph of them.  Where do you go from there?

Natalie

Me as an individual, and this is only my preference, I don’t take ages, well hopefully I don’t. I don’t take ages and ages because obviously they’re looking for closure or they’re looking for answers sooner rather than later.  As like a moral or part of my presentation if you like, I never give a timeline, so I would say to them, different during a reading, I may pick up different evidence during a one to one reading about a case, but then if they ask me to work on it deeper, or the police do, I never give a timeline, I always say to them, please can you leave it with me, maybe a day, maybe a couple of weeks. Photographs, any sort of maps, any other information that they feel is relevant to share with me, and then I will always go by my intuition as soon as they begin talking about a case, because sometimes, very politely I will shut them down, and just say very, very quickly, please don’t tell me any more because I will get a feeling quickly whether it’s going to mess with my mind, or whether I just need to know what I called the stepping stones.  Tell me a little bit about it and then I can run with this story.  So that’s the trigger points, and then, say it is a missing person, again that mind mapping, that travelling with someone’s life, so me personally, I try to pick out, and this has helped, I’ve just got a diploma in Criminal Profiling and I transfer that over to my psychic detective work, so that my logical mind and the trigger points of what I’ve learnt within that diploma, of what the police need, what the criminal justice system need, in order to secure a prosecution, what they look for.  I transfer that to my psychic mind on two levels, so the victim or the person of concern. I travel with them within my mind, their lifestyle, what’s gone on, and bring it right up to the date of missing, and I will feel, what are you doing, and it’s like looking at their life through their eyes, you don’t want to ever be looking at someone psychically or within mediumship from what I call the 3D aspect, where you’re on the outside looking in.  Become them, look at life through their mind, be fearless and brave and take a hold of their common sense and their intelligence.  Walk in their footsteps and then that way, you will begin to start seeing the sights, surroundings, the smells of where they last were.  Unfortunately, this is almost the downside of it but we must remember it’s only the thoughts and the feeling, we don’t necessarily take it on, we don’t become it, but you can also wear their fears, because that’s going to get you to what happened.  Are they fearful?  What was they fearful of?  An atmosphere?  A person?  So you begin to unravel the story leading up to it psychically, and then what’s happened after. I always explain to a family that I would always be honest, I believe that if we begin to feel that someone is within the spirit world, when it is to do with missing persons or anything of that nature, I completely rely on my communication with the spirit world to deliver evidence and information, and this is only really on missing people, because there’s either, forgive the way I say this, there’s either no body, or you haven’t found that living person yet.  So I always ask the family, if I’m dealing with the family, I will always be honest, you must understand I’m going to tell you exactly what I feel, but that’s where you’ve got to have a pure responsibility as a medium, at not being destructive with your evidence, is to open their eyes to what else needs to be looked at, not to decide or play the part of whether they’re in heaven, whether they’re alive, it is to have trigger points of, you need to look in this area, this is what I feel their fearful of, this is what they’re taking me to see. If it’s the police then I can be a bit more demanding and make their needs of outcomes, where to look, and be a little bit more definitive of this is where we’re going with this, this is what you’re going to find, and then it’s up to them what they do with that information.  Because you have to do it in a way where you’ve got your mediumistic and your psychic ability, but you’ve to work with the police not against them, you’ve got to work with them, because it’s no good just saying, this, this and this has happened, not just because a psychics work can’t stand up in court, but there’s certain elements where you need to be working in a way psychically alongside them, how they look at things.  Part of it, any detective work is the two sides, you then have to go into the criminal element, so there’s a part of you as a medium you’ve gotta be cut out for it, because you’re going into a criminals mind, and world.  You may pick up things that they’ve done before. I’ve had it very recently, there was a case I was asked to work on in Australia connected to one woman, but it turned out it was a serial killer.  So you are experiencing maybe more than what was put on the table for you at that moment in time.  So I feel there is something where it’s the reasoning behind why you do what you do, I do it to help, one to one readings, mediumship, platform, I will always do it, teaching, I’m doing it to help others, so that’s why, as long as it’s helping, I will always do it.

Ann

What I have found difficult about psychic detection, I’ve been asked to work on a couple of things, if a family member asks you to work on something, you can you can bring forward information, but then there’s the thing like, how much do you tell them that you’ve picked up?  Because it’s very difficult and you can pick up some incredible, incredibly distressing things, so if you were working with the police, you could give them everything that you pick up and then it’s up to them, but with the family it is very different.  So it’s hard to know what to give.

Natalie

Absolutely.  I feel, what I do, I put my trust in the spirit world, and I always have a conversation with the spirit world. I’m not saying I would begin to feel that their loved one is in the spirit world, I have a conversation with the spirit world.  So my people that look after me, my team, my spirit guides, those that work with me, I have a conversation with the spirit world, before I would even start work, or at the beginning of every day, I put my trust in them, and I face them like I did this morning.  What I will talk about, how I will work today, give it in a way where it needs to be heard, and give it in a way of being respectful and what I say enables, it doesn’t disable, and then I leave it there, and I completely trust the spirit world, that how they’re gonna make me say things things, they’re going to show me, it’s not going to be destructive or destroy a family member, it’s going to enable them to bring the closure that they want to have.

Ann

That’s great, that is a really good explanation Natalie.  The other thing I’m thinking about is, I’ve also been approached by friends of somebody who’s gone missing, can you help, we’re desperate, we love this person, they’ve gone, and I’ve worked on that, but then I haven’t given them the information we’ve picked up as a team of psychics, because I suddenly realised, hang on a minute, the family haven’t asked me to do this.

Natalie

Yes.

Ann

So I’ve pulled back because that it’s not my place to share, they haven’t asked.

Natalie

Yeah, absolutely, there is something quite, a very, very good point, I totally agree with you, I, even working with the police, they are giving me their permission, so I do take it, it may not be direct contact with the family.  For all I know, because I don’t check and find out, for all I know, they may never tell the family that they consulted me, I wouldn’t dream of ever telling anyone names, dates, times of cases I’m working on, in case they do know someone in that family, you don’t know. So I feel there’s, it goes down to a code of conduct, and there is something where if friends agreed to help again, I trust the spirit world, and say okay, I’m gonna open my mind to this, let me tell them what they need to know. And then I may tell them things, OK this is what I’m getting, this is what I’m picking up, but I do trust that it only goes as far, I don’t feel we are limited, that’s not the word I want, but I trust the spirit world that it only goes as far to enable, it’s not gonna give any more and sometimes I may say to the friend or to the partner who’s ever asked, if you need any more information please feel free, I will sit with that family.  And I have had that before, where I’ve spoke to someone about it, it might even be during a reading, so there’s been no detective work if you like, and this did happen actually, I spoke to one family member, and then they come back to see me with the brother, two of the other sisters and the mum and they all sat me before me, and that’s when I talked them through, talked them through how I can work, I do also explain everything is an experiment, so I may not give you exactly what you want, we’ll see how this goes. And then they was all there. So I would almost, it is the same when I teach it. I always use cases where I’ve got permission to experiment with it in that way as I’m teaching, rather than just let’s work on a case, let’s have all these details, and it’s not really going to go anywhere.

Ann

Yeah, interesting, well gosh I wish you all the luck in the world with that work, it’s so vital, and mediumship can help in this way for so many people.

Natalie

Yeah absolutely, yeah, it’s a big thing now really, it is a big thing. I completely respect that they don’t give out that they sometimes use psychics, I completely respect it.  I don’t want some recognition, as in this is who we use a lot, I don’t, I want to help, I want to bring closure. I think there’s nothing worse than someone passing and being left with questions or someone missing or something very cryptic happening and we just never ever find out someone’s thought patterns.  It really, it devastates more than the person that’s missing or at a loss, for not, not have the insight of someone’s mind.

Ann

Yeah, yeah, it’s amazing, well thank you for sharing all that with us, and talk to us then, if we could just move on a little, to your work with the Psychic Sisters in Selfridges.

Natalie

Yes, I have since last year, I had a chat with Jane Wallace, who is a lovely lady who has been a tarot reader for years and years but I had a talk with her last summer, and she asked me if I would go in store, and they have a franchise there in the middle of Selfridges. You’ve got all your other outlets, and there’s a, a beautiful stand with crystals, and beautiful healing elements, and powders, and candles, and all sorts of pretty things, and then they have their reading rooms, so it’s just another place where you can find me at. I do one or two days a week there and then I’ve got my own, but yes, ever since last summer, obviously during lockdown we couldn’t go in store, but since last summer I have been reading for people in there, and it’s nice because it’s a different audience, you get many tourists from other countries that come in and shop there and then see us and book their readings, so it’s a different kind of clientele, it’s another way of reaching people, so it’s very, very good.

Ann

Yeah I mean it’s amazing and it’s a great, it’s great kudos to you for the, for the level of skill that you have, to be working in a place like that, so well done, and I went there once to have a look around, and my goodness, in some of those reading rooms they have ceiling to floor, all across the walls, amethyst.

Natalie

That’s right, yeah, I absolutely love it and if I can get that room, I try and get in that room! There’s crystals everywhere but there is an amethyst wall, you are right, it sounds as if I charge in there and takeover, I promise you I don’t, but for some reason I always kind of someone always takes the room in front and on the left, I am left with the beautiful amethyst wall, so that is normally my reading room, but it is beautiful, it’s a lovely space to be in. And it sounds, sometimes there’s a misconception, and don’t get me wrong, when you go into the reading room, it is a peaceful space, it’s a beautiful energy that is created by your psychic, created by the tarot reader, it’s a beautiful space to go in that is peaceful full of crystals, but you go outside the doors and it’s the hustle and bustle of London, but I do feel talking about it is testament to the to the fact that, if you really want to be in that space, you don’t necessarily have to have this routine of, don’t disturb me, I need to go through this ritual of cleansing and, you know, there can’t be a mere morsel of a sound. It’s not, you can move from one space to the next, and as long as you’ve got the power of spirit or your own psychic ability that you’ve worked on so hard, and allow it to very naturally develop, you can read within that space.  It is beautiful I think in, you could walk down the street of Oxford Circus and then underground so to speak is that amethyst room, and there we are, giving that psychic guidance which is so very needed.  I do love the psychic as well.

Ann

it’s beautiful, do you think it, the amethyst wall and the energy that comes from the crystal, do you think that enhances your readings in some way?

Natalie

I definitely feel it helps, yes, I definitely feel it helps, I would like to think even if I wasn’t, if I wasn’t in the amethyst room, that I am still reading OK, but yes, I definitely feel crystals and their energy, and what the atmosphere soaks up, which in term in that room obviously is the amethyst wall, yes it definitely does help.

Ann

Yeah, it’s interesting isn’t it and do you think therefore on a smaller scale, for those people listening who are working as psychics and mediums, do you think it’s important to have crystals around your space or does it not matter at all?

Natalie

Honestly I don’t feel it’s a necessity, and I never did for years and years and years.  I’ve got crystals in my room now, that I’m talking to you from, that have been bought for me, I haven’t necessarily gone out and bought my own crystals, give or take a little crystal ball I’ve got, that’s the only thing I’ve ever bought myself. So I’m very lucky because the ones I’ve got have been presents to me. It’s not a necessity I would say.  What is necessary is your mindset. That is the most creative, powerful tool, that you need to be mindful of before during and after any spiritual work you do. So crystals if you have them and appreciate them and know what you’re doing with them, they are the most powerful healing element that you can have along with the other things that help us, but you don’t necessarily need them in order to execute a good reading, good platform work.

Ann

Yeah interesting answer, thanks Natalie. And you are a very well respected tutor in the world of spiritual and psychic skills.

Natalie

Thank you.

Ann

Yeah, you are, loads of people really speak so highly of you, Natalie, and myself I’ve been taught by you and honestly it was one of the best experiences to learn from you, so thank you.

Natalie

Ah, thank you Ann.

Ann

You’re welcome, you’re a great tutor and I know you’ve worked in Australia and America, New Zealand the Netherlands, hopefully when the world starts turning you’ll be going back out to those places, but do you have classes and courses coming up that people can come and learn with you, perhaps online or in person coming up?

Natalie

Yes I do.  In, well we are reaching May now this weekend, aren’t we, but in May, the end of May, my courses start again, because they are normally over a six week term so they will start again towards the end of May.  Psychic Detective and Psychic Mediumship and The Seer for all levels, I do a beginners and I do an intermediate and above.  I do a tarot workshop as well, a Tarot course, so they will all start again towards the end of May, they are online, I am going, to I’ve been asked, I will meet in person to do in person development circles but I have also been asked, and obviously I teach online to other countries, so they have asked me if I will keep teaching online as well as face to face, so I will, I will carry on doing both, obviously there’s a need, synchronicity, so yes, next month it all starts again.

Ann

Wonderful and are they all on your website Natalie?

Natalie

They are on my website or I have a Facebook page –  Natalie Eden Walker Psychic Medium and Teacher –  bit longwinded, so I do apologise.

Ann

That’s OK, I’ll put that in the show notes for the episode so people can go to my website and pick it all up and that they will be directed over to you.  And if you’re doing demonstrations? Have you got some demonstrations coming up that people can watch you working?

Natalie

Yes I have, demonstrations are always on, they are on my Facebook page but they are always on my website and my website is very regularly updated with platform dates in different churches, and I travel all over, because I’m back in Essex now, but where I used to live in North London, I still travel to where I’ve been originally booked years ago. So I travel all over, I do not confine my platform demonstrations to Essex, so I am all over the UK.

Ann

Fabulous, fabulous.  Natalie it’s been so great talking to you and just getting an insight into some of the work that you’re doing out there in the world, it is fascinating, thank you so much for sharing all that.

Natalie

Thank you so much. Thank you.

Ann

If anybody listening wants a reading with Natalie Eden Walker, you can book with her I’m sure

Natalie

[email protected]

Ann

[email protected], perfect. Natalie, thank you so much for joining us today.

Natalie

Thank you, thank you so much, Ann.

Ann

Natalie Walker everyone.  Do go over to her website and take a look around at all the courses she has got on offer and maybe treat yourself or a friend, to a private reading with Natalie.

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