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Ann Théato, International Psychic Medium and Spiritual Tutor, investigates psychic development, mediumship techniques, and paranormal science, so that you can come to understand your own innate psychic ability and expand your knowledge, whilst learning to develop a curious mind.

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“That’s the whole problem with the paranormal and what we do, there are gold nuggets. And there is absolute nonsense. And the man in the street doesn’t know who to believe. And that is the problem. I’m fighting in the middle from both sides, trying to put it together and people who are listening, you can only make up your own mind having read the evidence. I can’t tell anyone what to do, what to think but I can provide you with the tools for you to think yourself.” ~ Tricia Robertson

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PSYCHICAL RESEARCH & ME

In this podcast episode, Psychical Researcher Tricia Robertson, shares some fascinating stories from her paranormal investigations over the past 36 years, examining paranormal phenomena in as scientific a manner as possible, and discusses the conclusions she has reached to date.

 

You’ll Learn

 

  • What A Psychical Researcher does
  • The importance and value of evidence
  • How to evaluate information gathered
  • Why orbs exist & what they are
  • Why proof must be as in a court of law
  • Why statements are used
  • What stone tape theory is
  • How EVP works
  • Whether Earthbound spirits exist
  • What a poltergeist is

TRANSCRIPT

Ann
Hello everybody! My name is Ann Théato and welcome to the Psychic Matters Podcast – episode number 56.

Coming up – In this podcast episode, Psychical Researcher Tricia Robertson, shares some fascinating stories from her paranormal investigations over the past 36 years, meticulously examining so many different cases of paranormal phenomena, in as scientific a manner as possible, and based on her evidence, she discusses the conclusions she has reached to date. I think you are going to be absolutely fascinated by Tricia’s findings.

But just before I introduce you to Tricia, I just want to say Happy Birthday to the Psychic Matters podcast – huzzah! We are going to be celebrating our second birthday on February 13th so that is a great occasion for a lot of joy. These past couple of years, I have created 56 different episodes for you, we’ve had 46.5k downloads and Psychic Matters has been listened to in 98 different countries around the world and 3,800 cities and towns across the globe. I am so blessed to have had 80 five-star reviews to date and I’ve interviewed some of the most talented psychics, mediums, lightworkers and paranormal experts working in the field today.

I’m delighted to say that Psychic Matters is still ranking as one of the top 1.5% most popular podcasts globally out of 2,776,456 show that are out there. So there is a lot to celebrate and of course the show could not exist without YOU, the listeners, and I want to thank you so much for your unending support, for some of the incredibly kind emails I’ve received telling me how much this show has meant to you or how much you have learned from it which you wouldn’t otherwise have access to; and I want to thank all of us, for coming together as a community of people who feel that there is a great need for this topic to be taken very, very seriously indeed.

I’m sure you’ll agree with me that there are far too many people out there with psychic and mediumistic abilities who are struggling to understand what is happening to them or maybe they are experiencing fear, or anxiety or even ridicule from those around them – and we all know how terrible that feels, I still get ridiculed on I would say, a weekly basis. And unfortunately, Instead of being encouraged to embrace our gifts, we often ignore them or worse, because we are so desperate as human beings to fit in and be accepted in our friendship groups, our relationships, and our families, we accept other people’s opinion, that somehow we are in the wrong!

But with this podcast, I can help people step into their power and keep that front and centre of their lives, so that they can confidently advance their psychic and mediumistic knowing and be expertly guided by my guests and myself, and therefore truly support people along their unique spiritual path.

I’m sure you have also found that it can be very difficult for those of us who wish to undergo training to develop our clairvoyance. In the Western World, even in this very modern 21st century, there are very few good teachers who uphold and advance psychic teaching. Many of my listeners live in countries where there is no access to tuition of any kind, or they live in societies where psychic and mediumistic gifts are frowned upon. Hence I created this podcast.

And also, you know, years ago, I couldn’t get any training either, I was on my own with two children to bring up and there was just no way I could get to a class. I had absolutely no money, and no family close to help, so there was no way that I could leave my children. And it’s because of that experience really, that I decided to create this podcast – I don’t want anyone to go through that. Psychic Matters is a free resource for everyone and anyone with an interest in the subject matter – There is tuition on this podcast for people – there is access to the incredible information that we need, to give us a firm foundation for our work – and you can learn how to develop your spiritual gifts from your own home, but you’ll also investigate the teachings of experts across the globe to gain their wisdom, advice and spiritual wealth.

So to conclude – I just want to thank all of my guests over the past couple of years, who have so willingly given their time to you all and shared their incredible knowledge to enable you to grow.

Please do go to Apple podcasts and leave me a written review. Those elevate the podcast up the charts and Psychic Matters becomes more visible to those who may really need it.

And now settle back in your chairs, put in your earphones and be prepared to be blown away by the case studies of a paranormal researcher…

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Ann
Tricia Robertson, one of the UK foremost Psychical Researchers is with us in the studio today. Tricia, welcome to Psychic Matters.

Tricia
Thank you so much for your welcome, Ann.

Ann
It’s great of you to join us here. And I think probably the first question on people’s lips is, what does a Psychical Researcher do?

Tricia
Oh, I’m so glad you asked me that question. A psychical researcher, I’ll tell you how Psychical Research started and that’ll explain it better. In the Victorian age, it was the age of spiritualism run riot, as you know. Obviously, many, many claims were made about that so a group of intellectuals and scientists etc, got together and they formed the Society for Psychical Research. And Psychical Research is simply looking at the claims made basically by spiritualism, basically, or any other religion with life after death, to see if there’s any truth in it at all. And that’s, Psychical Research examines phenomena in as scientific a manner as possible. And the big, the big thing, words there are, as possible. And that’s what we do, and the true psychical researcher like myself, we look, look at what’s happening, you look at the experience, you evaluate the experience, you, you see if there’s any way at all, you can test that you can verify it. And in so doing, then you can come to some sort of conclusion. But if you’ve, if you’ve ever read any of my three books, you will realise that the more you go into this, the more difficult it becomes. The answers become more and more elusive rather than a straightforward answer. But there is no doubt in my mind. One of… the trouble with psychical research is that are so many topics. My baby, my topic is the proof or evidence that would point to survival of consciousness after physical death. And in my mind, after 30, 36 years now, I am in no doubt that our physical bodies die but we don’t. The real you, the real essence of ourselves, we’ll call it consciousness, you can call it spirit, if you like, you can call it soul if you like, the name does not matter. That the evidence it’s the real you. It’s not the Ann we’re looking at, it’s what’s inside you, it’s the real person. And that, with all your memories, with all your mannerisms, with all your knowledge, your sense of humour, your bad points, everything of that, in your consciousness survives. And it’s remembered, once you get over to the other side, wherever the other side may be, because the other thing is no one in this world. And believe me, I’m in I, I’ve spoken to neuroscientists, neurosurgeons all sorts of people to do with the brain, and no one, let no one tell you where consciousness lies. Because no one can tell you, we only know it exists. If it didn’t exist, I wouldn’t be talking to you. And the form of consciousness when we die, no one can really tell you what that is. Other than the reported things from near death experience, for example, is when you get over to the other side, it’s absolute bliss, absolute unconditional love, and your earthly, worries fall off your shoulders. But I’m absolutely convinced after 36 years, through evidence, and through some experience, that we, our consciousness survives physical death.

Ann
So, Tricia, your passion, obviously, is evidence for survival after consciousness. This is what we as mediums are always trying to prove to our recipients and people who come to us. Where does the science lie? What has been proven? What can you tell us about that?

Tricia
Well, it’s a bit. It’s difficult. Nobody says, one of my taglines is, nobody said, this was easy. But you’ve got to look at what is evidence, and a lot of people will be listening who are indeed mediumistic. But as you’re increasing your knowledge as a medium, you have to be very careful as to what you consider to be evidence. And we know there are some very poor mediums they might think, say that oh, you were you were unhappy last Christmas. You know, you miss someone in the spirit world who’s dead. That kind of thing is of no value and of no evidential value at all. Before I go into something more interesting, very, very quickly, Professor Archie Roy from Glasgow University and myself, we did classes at Glasgow University at night-time and we did a five-year study of mediumships information. It’s too complicated to explain, you would all fall asleep. But trust me over five years, we did three sets of investigations, noting everything down. The science is in the noting, and I will say that to everybody that has an experience or has a wonderful thing to tell. Please write it down at the time with witnesses if possible because if you don’t write it down, it never happened. Whether you know what happened or not, but if you don’t document it, and that’s the word I’m trying to get around to, it is the documentation. Now, very quickly with what I said, and I won’t bore you with the protocol, it’ll drive me to drink. But when we got when we did this, all the experiments we have to evaluate information and, it is, we use real people for this. It’s not just a logarithm or something. And not only did we evaluate the information. For example, a medium might say, I have your father here, his name was William – fine. Your father had a red beard, and so on and so forth. And when we did the experiments, I always told the mediums they had to make a statement, one statement at a time, not a big story, an absolute statement. And the, there was one particular, a notable one that I remember, there was lots, but the one I remember is, a, I’m in, I’m in a different room with a medium to the audience. And Professor Roy, we don’t see the audience, we don’t know who they are. And I’m just given a knock at the door to tell me the audience are ready. Now the medium hasn’t a clue, they’ve not seen the audience, neither have I. And we just knock and I see the first recipient is ready for a message and the medium tunes in. And now we didn’t know if it would work, we’d no clue if it was going to work and the one that, the one that really stood out for me was when the medium said, whoever this person is, they live in a house called Christmas cottage. And then remember, it’s, we’re in cold Scotland here. And of course, I don’t know if it’s right or not. So, I’m writing it down. And the next statement was within this cottage in the garden, there’s like a Buddhist shrine in the garden. Now, I mean who, you couldn’t easily guess that somebody lived at Christmas cottage, and there was a Buddhist shrine in the garden? Now, that’s very, very good evidence. Now, when we come to evaluate these statements, what we do is, for example, say there’s 40 people in the room. Now how many people out of 40 are going to take, you were unhappy last Christmas, have a guess? What would you think 20? 25?

Ann
Yes, something like that.

Tricia
Everybody is miserable Christmas, let’s be honest. But to say this person lives in a house called Christmas Cottage, and there’s Buddhist artefacts in the back garden. Well, there’s really only one person out of 40 who is going to be taking that. And the rest of evaluation. I won’t go into its statistics. But trust me, good mediums do provide good evidence. But it’s all in the nature of the evidence. I presume everyone listening to this, assumes that life goes on. Yes, it does. And then more and more questions arise as to what that’s like. But for myself as a psychical researcher, we all have sort of, wow moments in our own, in our life. Most of its quite boring, I’ll be honest with you, for example, going out to a haunted places, you very rarely see anything at all. Going to private houses or people that have reported phenomenon, I would say you would be very lucky to get 50% of the cases that there was actually anything in, but you have to, you have to walk the hard yards and go and investigate for yourself. And I may say, the devil is in the detail. And the devil is in, in the circumstance of everything. You have to take everything in circumstances. Because for example, this is something I don’t really, it’s, it’s not quite what we’re on about, but it’s important. A lot of people talk about orbs, this weather, right? And, okay, I absolutely firmly believe that there are some orbs that are connected with spirit energy. I absolutely believe that. And I, for various reasons, some friends of mine, oh it was many years ago now. It was, they would be probably in their 50’s. And their families had flown the nest. So, they were all alone on Hogmanay, you know, New Year’s Eve, one night. They decided to set up the video camera to, you know, to send messages to the family, etc. But after a couple of glasses of wine or beer or whatever, they had decided themselves, with a drink in them, to test spirit. So, the woman herself sat there and she said, I’m going to invite spirit to present orbs to us tonight. And then sure enough, and it was in real time, she sent me a copy of it. And all these orbs began to appear around her. She’d asked for them. And they came and then mind you, they had a couple of drinks in them but it doesn’t matter. It happened. And then then she said, okay, now I’m asking spirit to step back, and the orbs disappeared. Now that’s not dust, that is within context of what she asked for. And I’ve seen a few photographs of people, have sent me saying that this is what happened, you know, on a particular photo. It was only significant because it was only relevant, there was an orb over the person who had lost someone recently to spirit. Now, I totally believe, now I’m not saying that orb is a person, I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying the orb is spirit energy that they have sent, like I can send you a loving thought and spirit seem to be able to send that energy, that essence of the energy to the person, the person is not wrapped up in a little ball in the middle of that. And the, one of the other things, Gordon Smith, the medium and I well, it was my investigation. And it was a pub. And actually, I can’t remember where it was it was Bilson I think, just outside of Glasgow. And in this pub, many, many things had been reported. The pub only had a downstairs but there was an attic. And they could be sitting in the pub, and they would hear footsteps upstairs, and they would hear dragging sounds like dragging bags along the floor or something. And that scared them to blazes. So anyway, we came in, I was, I was a psychical researcher, I took Gordon Smith with me. And there was a team and I can’t remember if it was BBC, or STV, I can’t remember, it was one of them anyway. So we, we duly went up, I took, I took another lad from the Scottish Society for Psychical Research with me. David was a sound, kind of a sound man, he was recording temperatures and things. So, we climbed this ladder, now don’t laugh, a ladde, I had to climb this ladder into a loft, which was fortunate that I had on trousers, because the team below were taking photos from below. So, anyway, we got into this attic, oh and it was huge. And the half the floorboards were missing. It was really dangerous. So anyway, Gordon and I are up the stair. And although I’m not, I’m not a medium I’ll stress that, but I do get feelings. I do feel temperature change, things like that. But it’s good that I’m not a medium because that, that keeps me out of it. Anyway, we’re going about the, the attic, David’s taking his temperature sensors and all of that. And Gordon was at the other end of the room. And he shouted, he shouted to me, that I think it was BBC they were filming and Gordon’s at one side of the room. And Gordon said to me, Trisha, come over here. He said, there’s something, there’s something here, there was a fireplace here or something at one time. So anyway, I’m stepping over the floorboards as they were, and the holes to get to Gordon. And Gordon suddenly, well he put his hand up, and he went, oh, my goodness, he said, there’s a huge orb just appeared there. Now to our eyes, my eyes, and the men from the BBC, we could not see a thing. And then the BBC, the cameraman shouted, come here quickly Trisha, come here. And of course, they’re digital cameras. So, I ran around to see. They’ve got a screen and, on the screen, where Gordon said, look, there’s a fantastic orb here, on the screen was a huge thing, like a moon, on the camera, exactly where Gordon held his hand. So, orbs are real. They are energy. They absolutely are. And that’s obvious that somebody is trying to tell you the energy is there. So that’s all I’ll say about orbs. So, every single thing of this is in context. Now, for example, another one that was in context was perfect, I took Professor Roy now, it’s outside of Glasgow, I think it was Motherwell, actually, which is outside Glasgow, where a young couple had been complaining, all we know is they phone up, and they say, we think we’ve got something in the house. Now Archie had a great sense of humour too and Archie always called us Rentokil or Moulder and Scully or, or, or Scullery & Mildew. You know, he always had a good laugh. We were the, we were the last resorts that people would call in and in fact he called his Rentokil as well. They’ve been to the church. They’ve been to various people, nothing happens. So, for some reason, they find us I don’t know why they find us. So, Archie and I trotted along while I drove Archie to this particular house. Now, it was a brand-new house built on a new private housing estate. And of course, we went in knowing absolutely nothing. So, when we got in there, the story was, and the story you hear at the beginning is not necessarily the right story. We were told that, they had a six-month-old baby, now, this house was strange, because inside the lounge was a staircase going upstairs. I know that sounds weird but it was, it was a solid staircase going upstairs. The baby’s pram would often be put at the foot of the stairs. When the baby got to six months or so, it would look up the stair and smile at something – a big grin. And it freaked, it freaked them out. But they didn’t think too much about that. They also noticed that some things were being moved in the house, but they didn’t really want to know about that either. They kind of said no, no, that didn’t really happen. And then, one night pièce de resistance, one night they were sitting either side of the fireplace. Now, in the corner of this lounge, where there was no windows, no draft, no nothing like that, because when babies come, they get lots of toys that they don’t need, but their fathers do. And in this corner, there was a whole pile of toys, wind up cars, a whole pile of toys all together. And in the middle of this was a helium balloon, which is very obvious going up near the ceiling. And they were sitting there watching the television, and suddenly they heard this noise, it was like, and they looked over at the corner of the toys, and this car suddenly appeared, it came out across the wooden flooring, right past the two of them on the chair, and went to the other side of the room. Well, they just looked at each other. And then a second or two later, they heard another, where a toy appeared to be winding itself up. And another toy came right along the wooden floor, past the two of them. Well, they looked at each other, trying to pretend it didn’t happen. And then they noticed the helium balloon. It was on a very long string, and the helium balloon, no draft no, wind, I’ve checked it all, the balloon started to go round in a circle like that slowly at first, and then it picked up speed and got, and the description of the circle got faster, and faster and faster. And every time it described a revolution, there was a blue light pulsated at the top of it. So, it was like boom, light, light, light. And of course, they just looked at looked at that, looked to each other. The man was about six foot two and a very burly chap. And he was terrified. He just ran upstairs to his bed and pulled the covers over his head, as men often do. So, this left them in a big predicament. They didn’t know what to do. And of course, everybody thinks it’s something evil. They all think it’s evil, you know, which it is not of course. So then that’s when we, the Rentokil, the Moulder and Scully were actually called in. So anyway, when I when we went into the house, I noticed the girl was very tiny. She was about five feet very slim. And she’d had this baby six months ago. She was very pale and quite sad looking actually. Anyway, a lot of Psychical Research is not us talking, but listening to what the people are actually saying. You let them talk, they actually give you the clues themselves as to what’s going on. And it became obvious that this girl’s mother had died before the baby was born. And she was young, the girl was only 24. So, the mom must have been young. So, the mom had died six months before the baby was born. So, click in Trish’s mind, the mother has never seen this baby. Okay. Keep that one to myself for the moment. So, we let them talk a while and then I said them. Then the man was telling us about a particular vase that was moved in the hallway. And, I said now, what about this vase that was in the hallway? And I had, I had offered them the suggestion that maybe, just maybe the girl’s mother was around, in context, just letting them know that she was there and she knew about the baby. Now the man’s first words to me were, can you not make the old bitch go away? Which didn’t sit too well with the girl? Yeah, you are making a face.

Ann
Yeah, my mouth opened there.

Tricia
I know, and I kind of ignored it. And I said, well, and then he, then he said, oh, wait a minute. He said that vase that keeps getting moved, we go out there’s nobody else in the house. The vase that keeps moving is the vase that she bought us. And I kind of went dah-dah, you know? Well, it’s, I always, it’s a possibility then in fact, it is becoming more and more probable that the person who is moving the vase and the other things is, indeed your mother-in-law. But she means no harm about, about it at all. She just wants to, I can’t remember the girl’s name, she just wants to let your wife know that she knows about the baby. She’s very happy. And then the man said, can you not make her go away? I said, well look at your wife’s face. And now by that time, she was very pale, but that time when she realised it might be her mother, she got colour in her cheeks and she was smiling. She was a different girl altogether. And I said, look at your wife’s face. I said, look how happy she is, the fact that she knows know her mother knows about the baby and has seen the baby. And I said, but as time goes on, if she does come back, I didn’t say a nuisance. If she does keep coming back, I said I could, we’re not mediums, I could bring someone with me who could talk to her and perhaps persuade her to go. I said but for now, I said, I would leave it the way it is or not nothing evil here. Nothing wrong whatsoever. So, the girl was, she was, she was smiling, but she was absolutely delighted. And I said, now, you’ve got my number. I said, we always say to people, you can phone me anytime if there’s a problem. Or if this doesn’t resolve itself, now that you, you recognise, you acknowledge that she knows what’s going on, and I never heard another thing from them. So, you see, that’s all context. Nothing else happened. And in a psychical researcher’s world, that is indeed proof. I can give you a very quick funny one before I go into a more detailed one.

Ann
Before you go into the funny one, can I ask, how does our unconsciousness move things?

Tricia
God knows. No idea whatsoever? No one can answer that. I do know that, why, we’re here, now, in my third book, I do speak a bit about this. And I speak about, now Uri Geller, everybody laughs at Uri Geller, but trust me, Uri Geller can move things with his mind. He can. And all the facts and figures, in fact he was thoroughly tested in laboratories. It’s all there in the third book by Professor Hasted who is fastidious, and he didn’t like Uri Geller to start with. And he actually didn’t like him when he was finished. But he said, no matter how much of a showman that Uri Geller is, he more or less said and he does talk rubbish at times, he didn’t quite say that. He said, there is absolutely no scientific doubt that by his own mental processes, Uri Geller can move things. But you’d have to read the whole chapter in the third book, but you cannot doubt it, because it’s there in black and white. By people who actually didn’t like him and didn’t want it to be true. It, we don’t know. And how spirit can actually do that, I, nobody knows. We only know that they can. You know and I mean, you and I don’t know the inside workings of the computer we’re working at but we know what it does. Yeah, that’s ,and I was going to say earlier on, in Psychical Research and in our world, there’s two methods of proof. There’s proof, like mathematical proof. If you take two apples, and add another two apples, you’re going to have four apples. That’s never going to change. But we also have the greater proof of as in a court of law. People have in the past have had their lives taken. Because the burden of proof is such that it’s proven that they’ve maybe murdered someone. And Psychical Research is like that. It’s proof as in a court of law. If, what other reason could there be for the next account, I’m going to give you, because it’s, these were, and this is my particular big wow, moment is the one I’m going to tell you. Probably like yourself and even mediums listening, there must be times and if you don’t do this, you’re not doing it right, there are times in our lives where we think we know what we know. And then you have to stop every so often to say now, what do I really know? What can I really hang my hat on? What can I truly, I won’t say believe because belief doesn’t come into it? And then you re-evaluate what you’ve seen, what you’ve done. Everybody mentioned and everything. And then you say, then you go back and you remember something, you go, yeah, well, of course, that happened and that can’t be explained in any other way whatsoever. So, the proof has to be as in a court of law, as an observational, like astronomy, where they observe things in the sky, they observe the motions, and only through observation, can they then make some kind of theory . A that’s all we can do, we can we can never put in a bottle Psychical Research because it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s same for everyone. For example, in our five-year work, I think I used 16 mediums, Scotland and England actually over that time. But I only used mediums that I knew were, if not reasonably good, or very good. If I had used mediums who were not good, then our figures would not have been what they were. But why am I going to use poor mediums? I want to use mediums that have got a chance. I mean, we didn’t know if it would work. And on the medium side, every medium worked, I mean we don’t get paid or anything like that. Everybody worked for absolutely nothing. We all did it out of love of the truth, looking for evidence for survival. Because my own raison d’etre as it were, and why I wrote the books, after giving lectures and I had all this information and all the experience. I actually wrote my first book in self-defence, because Archie Roy died in 2012. And I thought, you know, if I don’t put this down in a book, that would be a sin for me not to do that. Because there are so many people walking about the street that think, when, when their loved ones day, they’re never gonna see them or hear from them again, and it’s these people, the man in the street, the woman in the street, that could be broken-hearted, but perhaps helped by some of the things I’ve put in a book. That is the reason I wrote the first book. And I realise there’s so much more material that I wrote the second book and so on. But that’s me, I’m not going to do any more, I’ve said my piece. I’ve given the evidential stuff. And, of course, a lot of it is done in humour. Although people get hold of me, and I don’t know how they get me. And I know that mediums do a fantastic job with helping people with bereavement. But I even had one woman, oh, I’m trying to think, it’d be what, would be 14 years ago, maybe now, I was in a flat on my own, I had been divorced. And I get a call from somebody, God knows how she got my number. And this woman said, It’s my son’s funeral tomorrow. And after the funeral, I’m going to join him, meaning she was going to kill herself. And of course, I’m just answering a phone in my hallway, you know, of course, and your mind kicks in, and I said, oh, no, you’re not going to be doing that. And she said, why not? I said, because If, I’m making this up, by the way, and I said, because if you go before your time, you may not necessarily meet your son. I only said that, to make her stop and think. And I thought now, what can I do? Why are you calling me? And I thought, so I’m just talking to her. And I said, Look, I can’t help you really with that. But if you, if you give me, give me your number, at that time, you didn’t have caller display. I said, if you give me your number, I will get hold of a medium, and I will get them to phone you back. Now I didn’t have a clue who I was going to phone but there’s a lovely medium in Fife called Helen Kuffell, who’s very, very genuine, very quiet, doesn’t use a computer. Very, all worldy, very, very nice. And I thought God I don’t know if I can get hold of her or not so I phoned the house and she answered, and I’m saying hello, Helen. And she’s having this, hello Trisha, how are you? I went, no, Helen, this is important. A woman has just phoned me. She said she’s going to kill herself after her son’s funeral tomorrow. I said, could you phone her back? She said, oh, yes, no problem. Yes, that’s fine. That’s fine, Trisha. So anyway, she phoned the woman back. And she was, an hour later my phone rang and it was Helen. And she said, oh, yes, we got on fine. And she’s, and of course, I said, look Helen, stop what you’re telling me, her husband was in the room, I said, go and write, go and get a piece of paper or a pen or pad and write down exactly what’s in your mind that you told this woman? Write it down now. [she said] Ach, I don’t think I can remember and her husband says, I remember. So anyway, I said please do it now. No, just trust me. Go and write down everything you’ve said there. So that was fine. She came off and I phoned the woman back. How did you go on with Helen? Oh, lovely, she, she told me and I said, look, don’t tell me now what Helen told you. I want you to go right now and write down what Helen told you. And this is my address. I never give people my address. And I said, and please, I said, this will help other people tremendously if you do this. And she was fine, the woman by that time, wasn’t talking about committing suicide. And anyway, they both did. Helen wrote it from her place in Fife, the lady down in England, got the letters and, you know, compare the two things together. I think it’s in the second book, I’m not sure. And all the details she gave, Helen gave, you know, what the son’s name was, there was going to be two black horses, a funeral what the names were, who would be drawing the, the hearse, the, you know, the hearse with the body in it. All sorts of things like that. I can’t remember the boy’s name, but it doesn’t matter. He’s telling me that his, his brother has stolen his, stolen his trainers. He said he took the trainers off that I had on and put his own trainers back on me in the end, you know, in a coffin, because he thought the trainers were too good. I mean, you can’t make that up. Nobody knows that. And so I can’t remember how many pieces of information and sort went on and every single thing that could be verified one by the other. And things that were going to happen the next day, for example, were absolutely correct. Now, you can’t make that up. That was, that was a good one. But my own wow moment, that wasn’t a wow moment for me, because I had to wait. And there’s a certain amount of evaluation in that. But my own wow moment was, it was a bit 1997, a woman approached me, it was in Glasgow, so she’s a spiritualist, because I like to keep an eye on the mediums. She came up to me. She said, Could I speak to you and I said certainly. So, she spoke to me in the tea room, and she said, my daughter was murdered six months ago, and the police are no nowhere near finding out, you know, what’s happened about it at all. And, of course, this woman doesn’t live in the same place as me. And I said, well, I knew she wanted me to get a reading for it with a medium for her, but it was too early. She was too raw. And I thought no, I don’t think that’s appropriate. I said, well, what to do is, I said, I’ll meet you again, we made a time for her to meet again in the tearoom. And I said, bring me an envelope with something that belongs to your girl in, you know, give it to me, seal the envelope, I don’t want to see it, give it to me. And I will take it to some mediums. And we’ll see if they can get anything about your daughter. So that’s what happened. I can’t remember the actual days, now. Anyway, I met her at another time. And she gave me this envelope. And I said, now, I can’t promise anything. But I will take it to mediums and we’ll see if we can get anything that could help you. Because that’s basically, I like to help people too, as I’m sure you do if you can. You don’t give them false hope. But you’d like to help them where, where and when you can.

Ann
Yes.

Tricia
So that’s what happened. I can’t remember the actual day. I presume she maybe met me on a Sunday, I don’t know. Anyway, so I started sort of next day, and I have no clue what’s in this envelope. It was lumpy. It certainly wasn’t a watch. And it certainly wasn’t a ring. It was just lumpy. You touched it and it was all, I don’t know what it was, it was lumpy. So anyway, I took it to one medium that I knew and he made a couple of statements about it, but not very much at all. In fact, all the mediums were men and that was just by chance. And then I took it to another medium and he said, well he said oh, I don’t like this, he said this is seedy, this is seedy, somebody was murdered. And of course, I’m just saying nothing. And he said there’s a taxi involved in this, there’s a taxi and there’s a green, a Vauxhall. Something to do with that, as well. I don’t like it, I don’t like it, and he wouldn’t go on with it. So, I took it to a medium that I know very, very well. And I’m able to go into their home, you know, just knock on the door and go in. And I thought, well I’m not getting anywhere with this, so I moved, went in, I presume that was about maybe a Wednesday or something like that. So, I drove up in my car, knocked on the door, opened and they said, come in Trish, come in. And the medium was sitting at a large dining table with a computer in one, you know, on the table and a cigarette in the other hand. And he looked at myself, now, hi, nice to see you. And I said, look, now, I never, I never asked mediums was for anything. I have never asked any of the mediums I know for a reading ever. And I never will, because that’s not professional. So, I plunked this envelope down on the table. And I said to him, can you put your hand on that? And tell me if you get anything? And he looked at me with cigarette in hand disdainfully and said, do I have to? And I went, yes. Now he would know me well enough to know, I wouldn’t ask if it wasn’t important, because I’m, I’m clueless at this time, I have no clue what’s going on. So of course, I’ve got my trusty notepad and my trusty tape recorder. So grudgingly he put out the cigarette and put his hand on the envelope. And immediately, when I say immediately, I mean immediately. There wasn’t a millisecond between putting the hand on that. And he said, I’ve got a girl here that was murdered and then he immediately became animated. And I just went hmm, nodded, so writing it down, got a girl that was murdered. She’s got medium-length brown hair. Of course, I don’t know. So, I’m writing it down. And as it went on, it was like a three-way conversation. She’s telling me that her boyfriend, and she named a name, I’m not gonna say, her boyfriend was the first to know that she was murdered. And he phoned her mother. Of course, I’m writing it all down. She’s telling me she’s got a tattoo, tattoos on her, over her left breast and described the two tattoos intertwined hearts and the colours, and I’m writing it all down. And she’s got other tattoos behind her right shoulder in the form of a rose and the colours and all of that she’s telling me she lived in a flat one up on the right-hand side. And she lived in a cul de sac. And I’m writing it all down. And then came that wow statement for me. Now, I’ve never ever known anyone who has ever been in jail, anywhere at all. And he said to me, she’s telling me she was in Quantonville prison when she was younger. And I’m thinking, right? I’m thinking, well I’m not saying anything. And thinking, oh, my God, that’s either got to be right or wrong. There’s no in between. She was in Quantonville prison when she was young. That was literally my whole inside went wow. And she’s telling me that she terminated a pregnancy when she was younger. I am trying to remember some of the other things she said. Oh, yeah, she’s and it was like three conversation is and he’s looking up she’s telling me that the newspaper reports of her death, the clothes she was wearing, were all wrong. And she said what the paper said. And then she said, what the correct clothes were, I can’t remember what they were, but they’re all, I think it’s in book one or book two, I’m not sure. Anyway, I’ve got it all written down exactly as I say, statement after statement after statement individually. And then she gave, she gave a wee bit of detail about her murder of which I wrote down. And she gave her description. She said it was two men that murdered her, not one and a wee bit about the men but nothing too specific about them. I’m sure there’s something else, I remember that… Oh, yeah. She misses her three cats. How many people have got three cats? Not a lot. So anyway, I just thanked them very much. We had a cup of tea. And of course, I don’t know if it’s right. He doesn’t know if it’s right. Not a clue. So, oh that was the one. And he said, she’s telling me that as we speak, my mother has moved my photograph from the top of the fireplace to the top of the television. That was before the thin televisions we have got now. So once again, I’m writing it down. Don’t know any different. That was fine. So, two days later, I had the mother’s phone number. Can I come and see you in her house this time? I’ve never been there. So, I went along to see the mother. And she made a cup of tea. And as soon as I walked in, I saw a photograph of a girl on the television. And I said, oh, is this your daughter, here? She said yes, I just moved her photograph there two days ago. And I thought okay, that’s exactly what the medium said, but I never said anything. So, I said now, I’m going to read some statements to, I just said that mediums have made. And I want you to tell me if they are right or if they are wrong. There’s no in between. They are either totally correct or they are wrong. There’s no oh well, maybe it was this, maybe it was that, because that’s the kind of person I am. Having done maths and physics, it’s, I mean, I’ve got no imagination whatsoever. So anyway, I read out everything I had written. There was, there was 29 pieces of information there, I didn’t read out the bit about her terminating her pregnancy because I thought you might not have known and your daughter has been murdered. I didn’t give her a description of it was two men that murdered her, I didn’t give her the description of how she was murdered. I thought no, not doing that. I possibly should have but there was no proof in that, so I withheld it. I only read out 22 pieces of information. Every single thing I’ve told you, every single bit of it was 100%, correct, 22 out of 22. Even to three cats, a cul de sac, tattoos, and Quantanville prison. I thought, oh my god, now, that was kind of my wow moment. But I did sort of the honourable thing, when I did the statistics. There’s some people if they don’t like figures, can fudge them a bit by putting in the figures they don’t like, they call it a file drawer system. But I included the 29 statements in my calculations. But even, even counting those other seven pieces of information as wrong, just counting them wrong, the odds against chance of the medium talking to themselves were astronomical, I can’t remember, 10 to the minus six, something like that, which is astronomical, there’s no way that that medium could have given me that information by chance. Absolutely and totally, absolutely no way whatsoever. So that constitutes evidence for me. And I know that is exactly the way it happened. And that, that I hang on to. The medium of course, is a very, very, very good medium, of course. And he was neither up nor down he went okay, let’s have a cup of tea now.

Ann
It’s amazing. I mean, that’s a brilliant story. And what was in the envelope that he had felt?

Tricia
Well, I nearly cried. We didn’t open the envelope. I’m a softy underneath. I really, I found it so touching. But before I go on to that bit, and before I cry, the things to note about that, the girl said, my mother has moved my photograph today, from the top of the fireplace to the top of the television, my boyfriend was the first to know I was dead, he phoned my mother. So, the consciousness, the energy, intelligence, knew of things that happened after she had died. So even if it was some sort of Akashic record of your life, that doesn’t account for a person knowing things that had happened, I mean, and it’s so personal, so emotional, there’s not a way in Hell’s chance that that’s coming from some sort of digital library. It was emotional, it was to do with the person. And all of this and your mediums will all agree. Emotion is a necessity when you’re doing mediumship work, or even what I do. Back to the envelope that I don’t want to talk about and I said to the mother, what was in the envelope? And you know, it was rubbish that was in it, absolute rubbish. Of things from when she was a wee girl, like broken fences from a toy thing. And I nearly cried. I thought, Oh, my God. Of course, the thing doesn’t matter. It’s the energy. It’s the essence of what’s there. It was just rubbish. That was in it, trivia. And yet how important that was within giving that mother that information.

Ann
That’s a beautiful story. And that’s brilliant evidence. That’s really..

Tricia
That’s evidence. That’s evidence. Yeah.

Ann
So, what do you think, Trisha, is … You spoke earlier about footsteps, dragging sounds, things like that?

Tricia
Well, yeah.

Ann
What makes those? What creates that?

Tricia
Well, that’s completely different again. That particular, we will go back to the same one in that pub. The medium said to me that I know there’s no spirit here. It’s, its energy, its energy that builds itself up. Once again, we don’t know. But he said, there’s nobody here doing that. It just it, I think there was a lot of jiggery pokery going on from the past, in that, I think, you know, many, many years ago. So, it’s just what some people would call residual energy. I hate that term. But you know what I mean. There’s a thing, there’s a thing called Stone Tape Theory, there is a theory, that when anything happens of any emotional importance, that energy of the thing that happened, is absorbed into the very fabric of the house or wherever it is. It could be a battlefield, where the energy is, the, I talk about that in the third book, the energy of what happened there seems to be maintained. And it’s actually not, it’s actually not even, it’s in the time and space. And its only people who are sensitive that can, they can see it like a video. It’s like their mind is replaying the video of what happened in that space. But how that works, no idea at all. Quick funny one before I go any further and I forget it, many years ago, the investigator Maurice Grosse, down in London, and he was a very, I love him to bits, he was a grumpy little man and he was trying not to prove that survival worked. And Maurice went into this haunted building. I don’t know what it was, so Maurice being Maurice went in, left a tape recorder, you know the old-fashioned tape recorder with them, you press the button, and you left a message on it. He let it run and he said, is there anybody there? And he went away. And he came back the next morning, let himself in and nobody had been in. So, he rewound the tape and played it and what he heard was himself saying, is there anybody there? And then silence. And a voice said, “no!”

Ann
That’s hilarious.

Tricia
So, work that one out.

Ann
Very, very interesting, what can you tell us about Electronic Voice Phenomena, that’s been proven, things like that, other examples?

Tricia
Well, this sounds like a third book launch. But you’re picking all this up, it’s in my third book actually, yes, if you look at, I give a wee bit, not the history, boring, but who did what and so on. And how it progressed, yes, there’s, there’s no doubt in my mind that it is genuine, Electronic Voice Phenomena. And many people claim to get connections even on the telephone, the phone can ring. And it can be somebody that’s passed over. Some people say they get things that are computer. And at the moment, I have someone I know loosely in in Australia, and they’re using two smartphones. And I’m not quite sure how they do it. And it’s in the early stages, that they say that using two smartphones, they can almost get voices from spirit people by order of, in order. And so, I’m looking forward to hearing how that goes.

Ann
How does that work with two smartphones?

Tricia
No idea, but I’m hoping that he’s going to tell me quite soon, I don’t know. But they seem to use two phones. I don’t know how they do that. And they say they can hear quite clearly. But I’m waiting on the evidence, that this man seems very credible. But they, that seems to be, and of course, some people are trying to develop what they call a soul phone. But that I’m not particularly convinced of. But people like Anabela Cardoso in Portugal, she was a Chargé d’Affaires for Portugal, a very clever lady. And she had, she started a magazine, I can’t remember the name of it now, I think it’s called the ITC journal. And she’s been there, she’s been out, she’s listened. And I see, I’ve, in the third book, it’s not, not a sales pitch, there’s some very, very good evidence for at least some of it being true. And that’s the whole problem with the paranormal and what we do, there are gold nuggets. And there is absolute nonsense. And the man in the street doesn’t know who to believe. And that is the problem. I’m fighting in the middle from both sides, trying to put it together and people who are listening, you can only make up your own mind having read the evidence. Once you’ve read the evidence, you make up your own mind, if that’s enough for you. I can’t tell anyone what to do, what to think but I can provide you with the tools for you to think yourself.

Ann
If somebody wanted to try EVP, Electronic Voice Phenomena, that’s listening to this podcast, could they simply put a voice recorder on, on their telephone and leave it in a room?

Tricia
Absolutely, absolutely spot on. It does, ever, everybody makes things difficult. What I tend to do, as I say, some people in Psychical Research, they have all these fancy ideas and they have theories and they use letters for things, you know, EVP, and nobody knows what they’re talking about. I keep it simple. I’m a simple person, I’m a simple maths and physics teacher. And let’s look for the evidence, cut away all the things that are unnecessary, I nearly swore there …

Ann
You don’t need to leave a tap running for White Noise effect or anything like that?

Tricia
Yeah, you can do, you can, all you can do is try. You could leave a tap on. I don’t think I’d leave a tap on all night mind you, and do that but they can certainly try it with any form of recording device that they have. Yes. And then of course, you’ve got the likes of the wonderful Leslie Flint, Voices In The Dark, who was a medium that could produce voices from spirit people. But this is the exciting thing, I love it, I just love it, Psychical Research. I mean, Leslie Flint, people try to knock Leslie Flint. They’re lying. Leslie Flint was absolutely genuine. Once again, I think it’s in the first book, Leslie Flint, and if you read his book Voices In The Dark. The man himself was poorly educated through no fault of his own, very genuine, great sense of humour. And the one thing I found out about doing what we do, you have to have a sense of humour. If you’re too uptight, then forget it, it won’t work. But yeah, if you have a sense of humour, and feet on the ground, and a stable mind, and of course you do realise some people who are maybe mentally not sound, shall we say, try to dabble in this and it’s not a good idea. Absolutely not a good idea. And I don’t know how we stop that.

Ann
And Trisha, what can you tell us about, we hear so much about earthbound spirits. Is there such a thing? How does that happen?

Tricia
Once again, in all of this, there’s not one answer for one question. What did I say earlier on context, circumstances. Once again, I think it might be in book three, I seem to be plugging this book, I have got a tape of three, three airmen who, their plane crashed, or I think, we think it must have been in the 70’s, I haven’t got an exact year for it. Now, it’s in the north of England, I want to say it’s near the top, and it begins with an L, but I can’t remember the name of it. Anyway, it is in the north of England, it was an airfield during the Second World War and they used it for a while afterwards. And then they get rid of it. And the land or massive land was bought by the construction industry, training something or other, builders or something like that. It was these guys you see, with, up the big ladders, with all the heavy machinery, you know, the big, burly guys with hard hats. It was a training ground for training these guys as builders, you know, Master Builders, so you’re not talking about airy fairy people, you’re talking about guys with their feet in the ground. So, what they did was, the company, they turned them one of the hangers into a squash courts, that would be more than one. And that was great to begin with. Then they discovered that nobody was using the squash courts. So, they made an enquiry, quietly, and they discovered that the men, these big men didn’t like going into squash courts, because there’s a funny feeling in it. They just felt eerie in it. So, this is England, we’re talking about. So, the Church of England are absolutely great. They’ve got a diocese for healing, the call it, but then investigate things like that. They know that people survive. So, this Church of England minister came, and he brought his wife bizarrely, who was a medium. So you have got a church of England Minister whose wife is a medium, and she’s a trance medium. Then they had two people there, one recording and they had another person there as a witness. They just went in on their own. Actually, I think, I think I’ve told you a lie. I think the minister went there on his own to begin with, and he looked around, and he said there’s something here, then they made another appointment. And they brought the minister, the wife that was the medium, somebody with the sound, and another person just as a witness. So, I’ve got the tape of that and it’s absolutely amazing. It would let your hair actually curl. I’ll give you a quick thing on it. But hearing it is the only thing that really does it for you. So, they go in, you can hear the wife breathing and it’s not fake. You can hear her breathing getting deeper and deeper and deeper. And the minister saying to the air, is there anyone here in trouble? How can we help you? And then slowly, and gradually, a voice comes through the wife. It’s just a shaky voice. It’s like, you know, you can’t make it out. And the minister said, what is your name? And it’s very, very shaky, it as if he is cold. “My name is Dusty, Dusty Miller”. And he said, okay, is there anyone there with you? And then slowly, this is very slowly, you get the names Jerry Arnold, and Pat. I can’t remember his other name, but say, it’s Pat Garrett – it’s not but it’s something – Pat Sullivan, Pat Sullivan, Jerry Arnold and Dusty, Dusty Miller. So, he said, how can we help you? Where do you think you are? “Our plane crashed; our plane crashed.” And are you cold? “Yes, yes. We’re cold, cold, cold.” Anyway, the minister said in a very strong, wonderful, wonderful voice. He said, do you realise you have died, you have died at this spot? “No, no, no.” He said, look, we will help you, we will try to help you. So, the woman’s bringing through voices, etc, etc. And the Minister is kind of talking to himself. And he said now, how can I help you, he said, I want you to look up and he said Dusty, Pat, Jerry, I want you all to look up and see if you see any point of light above you. And “ No, no, no.” He said now look again, the smallest point of light, just look, see if you see anything. And eventually one of them says, “Oh yes, there’s a small point of light.” He said, well draw yourself towards that light, go towards it. And it sounds cliché and draw yourself towards the light. When you get towards that light someone will be there to help you. Because you have died. You’re not shouldn’t be here any anymore. And it talks through and talks through and talks through. And eventually there’s a difference, even listening to it, there’s a difference in the atmosphere. And then for me, the pièce de resistance, this different voice came through the medium, oh my God, it was what I call a golden voice, it was, it was like some huge spiritual being. And the voice said, We thank you, for, it was a man’s voice. We thank you for all the help you have given here today. The minister said to the voice, and are they alright? And the voice thought for a minute and he said very carefully, at this time they are being helped. And oh my God, the atmosphere, you could feel the hairs tingling, you know, on the back of your head. And the Minister was all very practical about it. And now they didn’t tell the men, the workers they were doing this. Obviously, these are big, hard guys working machinery. And then after that, they began to notice, gradually they came back and one by one, the squash courts got, so the atmosphere was totally different. And then after that, they did begin to use the squash courts, but they never told the men of course they had done, please do not use the word exorcism, I hate it, it’s not even true. They managed to get these men who had been stuck for 30 years. They’d been stuck. But you see, space and time are not the same in spirit world as they are here. Because you go to sleep at night, you waken up, you don’t know if you’ve slept for two hours, eight hours or 10 hours. And it’s like that seemingly. You just, your consciousness it just exists, but you’re not aware of it. Same as in sleep, you don’t know if you are waking up if it’s two o’clock, four o’clock or if you’ve slept for eight hours, and you can’t, none of us can tell us, tell anybody where we have been during sleep and I believe it’s like that, it’s not painful. It’s just a, it’s just something we can do, again don’t understand. There’s so many things.

Ann
It’s a very, very interesting, fascinating story and but it makes me think, well why don’t the spirit world know? Because they’re ready to greet us on the other side. Why? Where were they?

Tricia
I think I can give you an idea on that, right, and I think I talk about this in the first book. People can be earthbound because of the trauma, and if you want to put it like that, they’re here somewhere in different consciousness, but they don’t look up, they look, they are looking down. In fact, the Minister said that, he said, don’t look down, do not look down, to where you have your trauma, he said look up, look up. So, their brain can’t conceive, because it was, their plane crashed there. Such a trauma, that they look down and between them all or among them all, they, they didn’t mean to, but they held themselves down. The spirit world, you know, do you remember, I don’t know her of course, reading about the old medium Doris Stokes many, many years ago. And I read that about 40 years ago and it stuck in my mind. Doris Stokes’ husband was very, very, very ill and she was by his bed all the time of course and he was really nearly on the way out. So, she sat by the side of the bed and she knelt and she prayed for healing and she prayed for the spirit world, now you think she’d know being a medium, she prayed for the spirit world to come, please come and give him healing and just as she said it, or thought it, a blue light came in the window, pale blue, came in, circled the husband for a while, not long, went out again and the husband wakened up and he was a lot better. And Doris Stokes said to the spirit world to the air, she said, why did you not do that sooner? And the answer was ‘you never asked’. You see, spirit, I believe they are not allowed to interfere unless you request it. So, then going back to the three men, so you can be stuck because you don’t know you are dead and you are scared and the energies are holding you down to earth energy. You can be earth bound because you choose to be earth bound. There are many accounts of say, first wives, who have died. They know they are dead but they are not going to move on because they don’t want the second wife to find where she’s hidden her money or her jewellery and that happens, they hold themselves down. And they can also hold themselves down if you are left and you are really broken-hearted, and they want to stay there to try, like the mother moving the thing and moving the toys, she’s holding herself down, just to let them know they are okay. And most people just want to let you know. There is always something when somebody dies, they give you a signal of some kind, with me it is all electric, because I’m not a medium. I always get electrical phenomena, inexplicable electrical phenomena. It has taken me years to realise okay, well that’s Carol or that’s so and so and that’s, they want you to know that they’re okay and that’s a sign that they are okay and you audibly say oh, okay that’s good and go on your journey. So you can be held down because you don’t know you are dead, you can hold yourself earthbound because you want to, you can be earthbound by sadness or feeling you haven’t done your job properly, there’s one of those in one of the books, I can’t remember which one it was, but the rest, do not fear most people, because the, 99 % of the people who die, but even in trauma, even in trauma, there is one about a boy that, I don’t think I put it in the book, I’m not sure, he was in South Africa, he was a, his father was a South African lawyer and the boy was killed in a car crash. And the boy came, just immediately and the boy came back the very same night to sit in the back of the father’s car and the father was an atheist and there’s a wonderful book it’s called On The Death Of My Son by Jasper Swain, and that boy was killed traumatically and he said, my soul was taken out of my body before it crashed, I felt nothing. So once again, we have got this dichotomy of different things happening to different people but I rather suspect that this boy was quite a special boy and there is an old saying that only the good die young and you know I think there is something in it. A lot of people who die young or prematurely, you will probably find that they are the loveliest people you have ever met and it’s just their time on earth and they go back home to that joyous place, you know, of being in the next consciousness.

Ann
And you’ve written three books about this Tricia.

Tricia
I have.

Ann
You’ve written three things about this Tricia, you’ve written, “Things You Can do When You’re Dead!”; More Things you Can do When You’re Dead: What Can You Truly Believe?” and your third book, “It’s Life And Death, But Not As You Know It!: From the Unbelievable to the Bizarre ”

Tricia
Well, there’s some bizarre but it’s true in it as well. But I just find it all so exciting and it’s just and I mean, I am nobody’s fool, hopefully, and there’s such a variety of phenomena. So, mediums don’t limit yourself to just mediumship, read a little bit about the background of things that were done, experiments. I’m not talking about boring ones here, I’m talking about for example Leslie Flint, he had cotton wool stuffed in his mouth and Elastoplast put over his mouth and he had on headphones and blinded, you know, and so on, and yet still the voices came, that kind of thing, but more interesting than that and of course, all the testing that was done on the likes of Uri Geller. Now Uri Geller is not a medium of course but he definitely can do psychokinesis. I’ve seen him, I’ve seen him do the spoons, as closely as I am to you on this computer and that’s true absolutely, he definitely can. And what the sceptics want to say is that he has something on the edge of the spoon so that the bowl falls down the way, no it doesn’t. When Uri Geller rubs a spoon, the bowl bends up the way, it doesn’t fall off at all, it keeps going up, it doesn’t fall. So, you have got to beware of sceptics, beware of false information and stand by your own truth but make sure that if you are giving evidence, it is evidence and not just generalities.

Ann
Yeah, I think that is such brilliant advice and I love your concrete requirement for evidence, evidence, evidence.

Tricia
Absolutely.

Ann
Tricia, I don’t want to keep you because I know you are very short of time, but I wonder if you could just explain to us very quickly what a poltergeist is? I know that you have said a poltergeist is not a thing, it is an activity and that no two cases are the same and sometimes it comes from the subconscious of a human being, most coming from maybe a stress or a negative emotion from within a person, and its sort of an external expression of your unhappiness, I wonder if you could say a little bit about it?

Tricia
You’ve actually started a whole can of worms.

Ann
Oh, I don’t want to keep you.

Tricia
That would require another hour’s programme on poltergeists because there’s no one answer. Poltergeist activity can come from the spirit world. You see, some people would call the one I told you about, the mother coming in and moving the vase, some people would call that poltergeist activity and well, if you want to call it that word, that’s fine and in a way it is poltergeist activity, because it is movement that you can’t explain, but poltergeist activity can also be caused by the living agent, the person here, but seriously, that is another hour’s worth on poltergeists.

Ann
Yes, I’ve heard you speak about it, saying it can come from the subconscious of the human being, it could be just…

Tricia
It can come from the spirit world too, it can do, but there’s once again, context is just so much, you can’t, you can’t, you see this is the trouble, you can’t say, when does it, went does an apparition become a poltergeist activity, you know, and then we have not even touched on Near Death Experience or out of body experiences, not even touched on them, or healing, spiritual healing. I’ve got, I did a five-year study on psychic surgeons for example, there’s just so much.

Ann
So, here’s the thing, you’ve explained all this in your three books, so this is what we need to do, we need to go and buy your beautiful books, full of knowledge, full of all of these different case studies and things that you’ve discovered and researched thoroughly. Where can people buy these books Tricia?

Tricia
Amazon, Amazon. You can get them, you can order them in any bookshop or Amazon or Book Depository is easiest.

Ann
Wonderful Trisha, I just want to say thank you so much for sharing all of that with our listenership.

Tricia
Well, I hope they enjoyed it.

Ann
Once again Tricia, it’s been lovely talking to you.

Tricia
Thank you, I look forward to seeing you again then, Ann.

Tricia Robertson there everybody, an amazing woman, working in Psychical Research. I do urge you to buy her incredible books, filled with factual evidence on cases she has worked on.

Show notes for this episode are available on my website anntheato.com and they contain all the URL’s and links so you can easily locate Tricia, her website and her books plus look up anything referenced in this episode, such as more information on Maurice Grosse or Anabel Carduso et etc.

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That’s all for this week, thank you again to my wonderful guest Tricia Robertson for sharing her experiences with us all. And when you think about it – what do we really know about paranormal research – we’ve heard of it – we’ve now listened to Tricia’s episode, but as she said, don’t limit yourself, read a little bit about the background of things. What better place to start than with one of Tricia’s books?

My name is Ann Théato and thank you for listening to Psychic Matters!

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